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Matt recently sen met an email regarding fishing the White River, and where the best spots for fishing are. Here’s a followed up response to his questions and hopefully this helps some of you out there. Thanks for the question Matt as I’m sure some readers might have the same.

Hey Jeremy, just want to say your site is the most informative website about Arkansas trout fishing; ton of valuable information including your own testimonials. Great stuff!
 
My cousin and I fished the White River two years ago, mainly fishing the Bull Shoals Dam to Gastons stretch. Of course, this was our first attempt at fishing the White River, and I think we did pretty well, catching our limit everyday. The unfortunate part was the inability to catch a trout on a fly. We talked to a few fly shops for local tips and what to use, but could not get a trout to play. We blamed it on heavy pressure and spooked fish, but our inexperience with flyfishing had a lot to do with our lack of success. However, we could do no wrong fishing with powerbait/artificials.
 
Our great experience, and what is bringing us back again was the beaty of the White River. We camped in Bull Shoals State Park, located right on the river, and we were able walk down from our site. wade in the river, catch our limit, and eat fresh trout for dinner. Can't get any better than that! Yes...we camped in 30 degree weather, but what an experience that will be remembered forever.
 
Although, we are considering camping again at Bull Shoals State Park, the location may not serve us well. After reading your articles on different parts of the White River and the areas you've found to be productive, we may decided to plant ourselves somewhere else that's closer to these areas you've mentioned. With that said, do you recommend another location besides Bulls Shoals for wadable waters and productive fishing?
 
His Place Resort is one location I found to offer reasonable lodging and a prime location for fishing according to their website. It's hard to say, though, based on our lack of knowledge about the area. Rim Shoals and Wildcat Shoals seem to be a good choice for productive fishing, but I don't want to hop around every hour or two when there's a 'spot' that will produce good trout if we just stay put. I know how trout are easily spooked, so moving around isn't a good idea.
 
I know you're a guide, so you don't have to answer my questions about where to fish, but if you don't offering some information about the area and where we should plant ourselves for a great weekend of fishing I would greatly appreciate it. Also, the reason why we went at the end of January a couple of years ago was we heard the shad kill is most common during this time and the brown trout regulation is lifted since spawning is done. But I didn't know if there a time during the winter you felt offered the best trout fishing?
 
Again, thank you for your informative website. I have it as a favorite and will check back regularly, and thanks for the free fly for signing up for the e-newsletter. My address is 304 Jenny Lind Dr Normal, IL  61761

Hello Matt,
 
This is Jeremy Hunt, and first off, I want to apologize about getting back to you so late; things have been hectic around here, and I wanted to be able to thoroughly answer all of your questions and address your concerns. It sounds like you had a great time a few years ago camping, and the Bull Shoals State Park area is typically a good spot during the winter because the water is usually low during the middle of the day at that time of year. Hopefully, you’ve had a chance to study up on the shad kill through my Web site. Honestly, this event is tricky to fish for those new to the rivers because much of the best action occurs when the water is really high. I don’t recommend taking a boat on the White (or Norfork, for that matter) when flows are up without some sort of prior experience, but people do it all the time, so I suppose it’s not lethal ;). Still, as far as being successful is concerned during the ‘kill, keep in mind that the fish up by the dam see a lot of different shad imitations throughout the colder months, so it does take the right presentation with a fly or spinning rod to be consistently successful.
 
Even though you seemed pretty concerned regarding where you stay, it’s really a crap-shoot because water conditions and release trends are always in a constant state of flux; one year, wading and/or fishing from the bank may be perfect up near the dam, and then the next year, it could be a totally different story. There is no way to predict with 100% accuracy where the ‘right’ spot is going to be, and you have to be prepared to either drive to a new area or to hop in a boat if the fishing is not productive or safe where you are staying at. His Place is a good spot because it’s centrally located, and I would also check out the White River Trout Lodge and Rim Shoals. What makes these resorts ideal places to hang your hat is that they are all within a half an hour of the Norfork which comes in handy if the White is running water around the clock. The Norfork sets up fairly well for those unfamiliar with its layout, especially since there are only two accesses. Lake Taneycomo doesn’t have a “back-up” option like the White does, so you may want to get back to me if/when you get closer to solidifying your plans for a trip so that I can give you my thoughts regarding where the most likely wading spots are going to be based on recent fishing. My best guess is that all three places will be offering up extended periods of low water by January, but this could change if we start to see consistent rainfall events, and every day is different below the dams.
 
I think that most trout fishermen started out with a spinning rod in their hands at some point when learning how to fish, but not only is catching a trout on a fly highly addictive because it is a blast to cast to and fight a nice trout with a long rod, it is also one of the most productive ways to hook into ridiculous numbers of fish. When conditions are right and the fish are active, it is common for even intermediate anglers (who have had some guidance) to get over 100 bites in a day. Sure, using natural baits can be deadly, but the bait-fishing guides who are really good are also highly skilled and they will often drift a minnow, sculpin or a crayfish much in the same way that a fly fisherman will drift a fly. Corn and PowerBait are effective for catching smaller trout, but over time, you will learn that this sport is comprehensive and involves a continual learning process in order to get the most out of the experience.
 
Hopefully, I’ve answered most of your questions, and feel free to keep the dialogue going. Oh yeah…fly tying is something that most of us fly fishing “bums” and guides picked up during our early years involved with the sport. It usually starts when one realizes that buying a fly costs almost $2, but a better and customized version of the same pattern can be tied for a fraction of that price. Then, it’s just a matter of asking a bunch of questions, hanging around in fly shops, reading books and studying the Web, and practice, practice, practice. I am more than willing to combine a fly fishing trip with an introductory fly tying seminar, even if it’s just for a couple of people. Teaching and furthering all aspects of fly fishing is my true passion, as this is how the pastime will be able to maintain and grow – there is a lot of secrecy in the sport, as well, but I have no problem when it comes to helping beginners like yourself get a start, so feel free to ask plenty of questions, and I will do my best to answer them with total candor.

Jeremy Hunt


 

John K. recently sent me the following email with questions about choosing a fly line for streamer fishing after his recent experiences fishing on Lake Taneycomo. My answer is posted below the letter.

Hello Jeremy,

 

I have been reading a lot of your stuff and watching your streamer videos.  I have really enjoyed picking up this information from you.  I was at Taneycomo last weekend for a second annual fishing trip that I go on with a bunch of guys from work.  I am the only one that does any fly fishing so I usually spend most of the weekend by myself up at the table rock dam outlet area.  I started Friday afternoon and did not have much luck with the typical scud and midge patterns that I used last year and had luck on.  I really don’t know the lake that well yet so I just kind of guess where to go.  Anyway I had stopped at river run outfitter Friday and picked up a couple of Bug Eyed Bugger Olive Sculpin(#6) flies, so Saturday I decided to give them a try.  I pulled out my heaviest rod (5wt Orvis silver label) with intermediate 5wt line, tied on a 4ft sink tip, and a short leader.  I quickly found that my casting was very ugly, but I was getting it out there about 30 yards or so.  Apparently it was enough because I quickly found that was what I should have been using the whole time.  I fished it for about 8 hours straight on Saturday in the rain and in the fog.  I decided to quit about 5:00pm when I caught #40.  I had lost a few others and missed many strikes.  What a fun day!

 

Anyway I quickly realized that I needed to probably go up a bit in size of rods and line if I wanted to start throwing these buggers and bigger streamers in the future.  Therefore I looked around a bit this week and found that Orvis was running a sale on their Streamline 908-4 Tip Flex Fly Rods.  I decided to purchase one earlier today.  Now I need some advice on what would be a good value large arbor reel that I should pick up for it and most importantly what type of line I should put on it specifically for streamer fishing.  I realize that it really would depend on the water that I am fishing exactly (how much current, how deep, etc…) but I need to choose something that Upper Taylor rivers, but would also like something that would be good for Taneycomo and other areas on the White river in case I get a chance to get down there also.

 

Any information you can provide would be very appreciated.

 

Thanks,

John Krehbiel


The streamer fly rod/line question can be tricky to answer because this type of fishing involves many types of presentations. I think that you are basically asking about a standard setup for fishing heavier water and beefy flies without exerting so much effort. There are quite a few fly lines out that are designed specifically for streamer fishing. The best ones based on my personal experience are: Rio Outbound lines, Jim Teeny lines in (450) and Kelly Galloup’s Streamer Line (275). You will need to consider the general current speed of the water you will primarily be fishing in order to determine the proper weight grain needed to get the fly down in the water column. One important aspect of fishing these setups is to know exactly where the “strike-zone” should be when targeting BIG fish before making the cast. Small fish will chase a fly before striking, but the big guys take a little more skill because they need the fly to be right in their face if they are going to eat it.

If you are really interested in getting fully prepared for many streamer fishing situations, I would consider setting up a second outfit with an intermediate line and a shooting head that will make sure that the fly gets down every time. Using a weighted fly in conjunction with a sinking line is important, as well. I hate to say this, but the theory promoted by a few that a sinking line alone will get a fly down where it needs to be only applies when fishing rivers with a low flow rate. To be honest, weighting the fly is a critical step in catching bigger fish. Hopefully, this advice will encourage you to try different things out until you figure out what is needed for the water conditions you are dealing with. The fish will tell you if you are getting the fly deep enough by biting.

Now for the reels question: the best reels for streamer fishing are large arbor designs capable of that storing a lot of backing, along with having a good drag system. Since you like Orvis products, I’m sure the Battenkill Two would be a perfect reel for streamer fishing. One thing I look for in a reel is how fast it will pick up slack line, and a reel that spins freely really speeds up the process. If the fish is big enough, it will get on the reel on its own, but a large arbor makes it easier to keep tension on unpredictable trout. The reels that I believe in and that never let me down are Galvin and the Billy Pate series. Still, the Orvis Battenkill offers an oversized arbor that picks up line as fast as any other reel on the market, and this is one of Orvis’ best product values, so it will not break the bank.

If you plan on using smaller streamers that are single-hook patterns, more than likely, you can get away with a 6-weight rod with a floating line - attach sink tips in different ips settings until you find what works. If you are throwing meat (aka: huge streamers) or fishing big water, I would stick with an 8 to 10-weight rod with the line that is appropriate for the situation.  If the water is deep or the current is fast, a sinking line is the way to go. There is definitely some trial and error involved when learning the intricacies of streamer fishing. It is easiest to start with a floating line, and then expand from there when the time comes to get a fly deep in a hurry.


 

Jim recently sent me this email regarding a question about rigging indicators in high water along with a general midge question about presentation. My answer is posted below the letter.

Jeremy, I just discovered you web site and really like it. It is of great interest to me as I just started fishing at Taney and hope to be there next week. I fished the Rocking Chair area last week on Monday and Tuesday and caught quite a few fish stripping on Monday (high water) and Tuesday nymphing with an indicator. A question, how do you rig your leader and tippet for nymphing? I would really appreciate if you would describe how you rig from your fly line on to the fly. Also, when fishing the Zebra midge type bead heads, at what depth to you want to fish these? I think I read somewhere on your site that you fish these about 18” below the indicator. Is this true for all water depths or does this vary? Thanks for any help you may pass on. Regards, Jim in IL

Hey Jim,

Thanks for checking out the site. It means alot to me and hearing you say you like it is why I do what I do. I can help you with your questions.

In high water I usually add 9 or 7 foot leaders (depending on the depth) that end in 4x. I attach 4x tippet using a surgeon knot. Then I run 18 inches from the 4x knot to the fly. The 18 inches is usually 5x in lower water conditions, but normally in higher water you will use 4x. The reason for this “18 inch rule” is to put the split shot behind the knot to prevent the bigger bb's from slipping down on the fly. Use big indicators that will support heavy shot.

The (zebra) midge presentation is strictly for low water if you are fishing 18 inches under the indicator. You can use them in high water, but I would fish them deeper. I usually run them about a foot from the bottom if I'm fishing five feet or deeper. I also use heavy tungsten in a size bigger than what you would use if you were tying for proportion. So tie them on a size 14 and use a 7/64 tungsten bead instead of 3/32 (which is rule of thumb).


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